The antidote to “Glock Leg”.

Posted: January 17, 2011 in Practical Shooting

If you own any other type of handgun (besides a Glock), you probably get real tired of hearing the fanboys defending how “safe” a Glock is, despite the number of accidental discharges that have been documented while reholstering.  This is so common as to have spawned it’s own slang term: “Glock Leg“.

This picture below is a Springfield Armory XD45c. (“There are many like it, but this one is mine…”)

Gripping it like shown prevents accidental “snagged trigger” discharges while reholstering. Period.

The sear CAN NOT be made to drop (which releases the firing pin) if the grip safety is not depressed. Even with pressure applied (via a tool) directly to the sear.

On the flip side, I’m not able to envision a way I could grab hold of the gun to fire it in haste that I would not depress the lightly-sprung grip safety. It is an “automatic” (passive) effect of holding the gun in firing position.

It has one moving part, and one pivot point, resembling a “see-saw” whose far end fits under the sear to prevent it from moving down. I imagine it is possible that some grit could get under the “grip” end of the see-saw and jam it. However, the size of the holes leading into the mechanism seems to prevent anything large enough to jam the gun from getting in there. (But I dunno…  Could happen, I guess.)

I also carry a Kel-Tec P11, which has no safeties at all. It however, has a LOOOOOOOONG, HEAVY trigger that makes it unlikely to ever get pulled by accident. It is a pure CCW, not a range gun. It is not fun, or pleasant to shoot, because of the very trigger that makes it safe to carry as a loaded CCW.

Glocks are still great guns, and there are many positive reasons to own one.  However, the way the fan boys attack everything “non-Glock”, including a feature that makes a lot of sense, is appalling.

If I was going to carry a Glock as a CCW sidearm, I would probably want a heavier trigger bar installed. That would detract from it’s use as a range gun, but would enhance it’s CCW safety.

I pay for car insurance, even though I’ve never had an accident. I have fire extinguishers, even though I’ve never had a fire. I chose the XD over the Glock for CCW use due to the “just in case” factor.

All the gun forum cliches about “finger off the trigger” and “your brain is the safety” disregard the reality of human frailty.

No one plans to have a brain fart, but just in case, the grip safety prevents it from becoming a tragedy.  The XD has an added automatic layer of CCW safety, without diminishing it’s trigger feel one bit.

That’s my comfort level when carrying a CCW gun “+1”.  YMMV.

[ASBESTOS SUIT: ON]

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Comments
  1. Dan says:

    Great point, I am considering getting an XDM soon and this one is a key feature I see that pulls me towards this gun vs a Glock for CC.

  2. Doug says:

    Stumbled here by accident after looking up “Glock leg” on google. I am the new proud owner of the XDM45. It’s always nice to find some reassurance that I made a good choice. You wont be sorry Dan. Was posting a wise crack here:

    http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=110115

  3. Ed says:

    I had an xd, i went to a gun show 5 years ago to buy a glock and walked out with the xd because i liked the features more and it was a nice gun. last week I just traded in my xd for a glock mostly because of rust on the xd. i kept it clean, id oil it before storage,

    i didn’t pull it out often but maybe once a year and check on it, because it was mostly for home protection and every time i pulled it out it would have rust on it, in several places, (some of the pins, palm safety.. (i might not of oiled the palm safety after handling on accident because it almost seems like it’s made of the same hard composite material that the rest of the handle is but it’s apparently not after steel wooling off the rust and re-oiling it) Ive seen similar vids on youtube happening to peoples xd’s and even pointed it out on a friends gun who has an xd. I dont know if it happens on the xdm’s, i didn’t look that far into it.

    Now The glock gen 4 i got, they are really nice guns too, I don’t see how 1 could rust with the same maintenence and care i gave my xd that I only shot it on 3 occassions, 50 rds each time. The glock just seems to be made out of a better quality metal, and i really like the finish on it, BUT i never heard about glock leg before today. I can see how the back safety could play a valuable roll if you were holstering a cocked n loaded pistol..especially if you snagged the trigger accidently. but other than that it has a cocked indicator as does the xd’s (the trigger moves forward on the glock), it has a loaded indicator as does the xd (side tab pops out a tad on the glock) and it has the trigger safety like the xd.

    I just learned of “glock leg” after seeing a mini holster that goes over the trigger that may help to prevent it. trying to learn more about what “glock leg” was brought me here. The fact that it has it’s own term i hope will make me be that much more careful with mine. lol. and if i get a ccw i’ll want something smaller anyways and i might look into the xd’s again, probably the xdm’s altho i’m not a fan of their “designs” they seem a little “too fun” for a gun. I like my gun to look cold n mean, not like a toy. but to each their own. .

  4. Tom Pearson says:

    I run the Practical Pistol Competition at our small local gun range. On Valentine’s Day 2012 one of our shooters provided himself with “Glock Leg” shooting a new XDM competition model. He is very experienced, very accurate and very safe shooter. With any modified double action pin fired pistol to be safe holstering when loaded will need to have an external safety like a Ruger SR9. The grip safety of the XDs do not work when the holster snags and drags the finger from the slide to the inside of the trigger guard and onto the trigger. Half the problem is in the design of the holster, half the problem is everyone wanting a gun “ready to shoot” without having to train to take the safety off and the last half is the shooter themselves. It wasn’t very fun having someone shoot themselves at my shoot.
    In real life I see very little difference between a Glock and a XD when it comes to safety in handling the firearm.

    • snoballs says:

      While this incident is unfortunate, if your shooter was holding his pistol like the picture above, the chances of a discharge are nearly zero. You can take a tool and try and press the sear down with all your might, and it won’t drop unless the grip safety is depressed.

    • snoballs says:

      Personal preference.

      I think the Glock .45s feel like holding a 2×4. I like the stock Glock trigger better than an XD trigger (which is kind of mushy, though smooth.)

      Others have wildly different opinions.

      Neither has a significant advantage in reliability, though Glocks tend to be lighter weight than the XD guns, comparing caliber to caliber. Used XDs (and even new for that matter) tend to be cheaper than Glocks.

      (If you’re not confused yet, go fondle a S&W M&P45 which will ALSO have it’s own pluses and minuses in this very crowded market.)

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